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Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By martinwarnett
4/24/2024 7:30 am
Infinity on Trial wrote:
A lighter player will move faster than a heavier player with the same speed rating, regardless of position.


Common sense and as it should be.

This is about competitive disadvantage. I've been in leagues where someone finds the fastest DB they can, regardless of whether the player has any talent, and moves him to DL so they can win a bunch of games they shouldn't win. I've done this myself, to prove a point or fight back. It's a quick way to ruin a league.


Agree on that and it's gaming the system. All I can say is that's certainly not been my intention or I'd not have had to have waited for MFN-1 to go down to 7 active teams to actually win a titie... ;)

I've a few who may or may not achieve required weight gains; no intention of using competitively until regardable as D linemen. If they don't make it, then either cut or consider moving to LB.

Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By Infinity on Trial
4/24/2024 7:31 am
martinwarnett wrote:
Infinity on Trial wrote:
I don't think we need to complicate this. Here's my proposal:

Existing rules plus weight limit of 265 for DL.

I think that's safer than a ban on converting DBs, because you don't always know a player's original position when you sign him.


Separate response to separate point.

Is there thus scope to extend that view across other positions or is it only due to one specific problem that's been identified?

In an ideal world, the game engine would've evolved so those heavily underweight playing as D line would get smashed...


The weight change isn't as extreme for other positions (a CB to DE is 80 pounds), so I don't think we need weight limits all over the field. I think we all want the flexibility to change players' positions from time to time.

The only time I recall a problem was a couple of seasons ago, when somebody won a championship in part by playing a WR at TE all year. The player got up to 240 pounds by the end of the season, but it was still an advantage.

Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By Infinity on Trial
4/24/2024 7:33 am
martinwarnett wrote:
I've a few who may or may not achieve required weight gains; no intention of using competitively until regardable as D linemen. If they don't make it, then either cut or consider moving to LB.


No harm there. You could also move them back to DB and just live with them being overweight for a few games.

Also, I don't think anyone should get too upset about what happens in preseason.

Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By Gustoon
4/25/2024 12:17 am
Infinity on Trial wrote:
martinwarnett wrote:
I've a few who may or may not achieve required weight gains; no intention of using competitively until regardable as D linemen. If they don't make it, then either cut or consider moving to LB.


No harm there. You could also move them back to DB and just live with them being overweight for a few games.

Also, I don't think anyone should get too upset about what happens in preseason.


Fat CBs, this had me laughing.

I think a way around this is if you take a CB / SS / FS and want to convert , they should be over a certain height , I think this way it should guarantee you that you will get close to what their weight should be .
Fair assumption?

I would be happy if a DT/DE could get within 5lbs of normal weight .
If this is a solution, I would think a height of around 6’2 would be the mark ? ????

Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By martinwarnett
4/25/2024 5:50 am
Gustoon wrote:
Infinity on Trial wrote:
martinwarnett wrote:
I've a few who may or may not achieve required weight gains; no intention of using competitively until regardable as D linemen. If they don't make it, then either cut or consider moving to LB.


No harm there. You could also move them back to DB and just live with them being overweight for a few games.

Also, I don't think anyone should get too upset about what happens in preseason.


Fat CBs, this had me laughing.

I think a way around this is if you take a CB / SS / FS and want to convert , they should be over a certain height , I think this way it should guarantee you that you will get close to what their weight should be .
Fair assumption?

I would be happy if a DT/DE could get within 5lbs of normal weight .
If this is a solution, I would think a height of around 6’2 would be the mark ? ????


I get height can feed into body frame, but didn't think it played a part in the sim?

Height could lend itself to a more natural range, I guess, but wouldn't weight be the body attribute to go off given the direct relevance on speed?

Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By martinwarnett
4/30/2024 6:25 am
Ok, I'm thinking due to weight issues, these would be realistic conversions?

LB <--> DLine
LB <--> Secondary
TE <--> WR/RB
OLine <-> TE
QB -> RB

Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By martinwarnett
5/16/2024 1:57 pm
A few teams currently have WRs in depth chart as RBs as well - can see by looking at rushing stats, sorting by average.

Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By Gustoon
5/16/2024 2:41 pm
Gustoon wrote:
I was hoping not to go down this route, but it has been noted that some owners are playing OOP players to gain an advantage. While I accept that the real NFL is largely a passing league it still employs players playing in position.
Also lining up much lighter players on D is also something I want to crack down on.

I'm not going down the minimum weight route, (yet) but just be sensible or this will also come into affect. For anyone not getting what I mean, converting a much smaller player (5' 10" CB into a LB, DT or DE) into a position they have no chance in reaching a realistic weight.

Of course all this can be bypassed with overrides, please don't go that route, this is a game we play for fun and lets keep it that way.

This league has always had a high level of integrity from its owners and I want to keep it that way.
Should you feel that you don't want to adhere to these rules I would appreciate a PM if you wish to leave.

So from next season your depth charts MUST have ....

OFFENSE
RB1, RB2, RB3
FB1
TE1, TE2
RBs, TEs, FBs may also play at WR position.

DEFENSE
RDE/LDE1, RDE/LDE2
DT1, DT2
LB1, LB2, LB3 (MLB, WLB OR SLB)
Secondary, CB, SS and FS interchangeable.


Thanks everyone.


So we are now going down the ‘weight route’ , so if you’re converting a CB to a DT for example, it’s never going to work and achieve the target weight , being 5 lbs out would be acceptable but not anything more .

If you want to use a WR as a RB, you can but they must be listed as RB4 or higher (RB5 etc..)

There are teams that need to address this please .

Thanks

Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By Infinity on Trial
8/27/2024 10:05 am
Just asking this question for clarification:

Is it OK to start two DEs at DT1 and DT2 with only a single DT on the roster?

I'm asking for an obvious reason as I scout for the next game, and I'll bite my tongue regardless of the outcome, but I'm seeing more and more of this across the league. I think we all know you can gain an advantage by playing underweight players across the DL. Is that the kind of league we want?

Re: Rule Changes from 2020 Season

By martinwarnett
8/28/2024 1:50 am
Infinity on Trial wrote:
Just asking this question for clarification:

Is it OK to start two DEs at DT1 and DT2 with only a single DT on the roster?

I'm asking for an obvious reason as I scout for the next game, and I'll bite my tongue regardless of the outcome, but I'm seeing more and more of this across the league. I think we all know you can gain an advantage by playing underweight players across the DL. Is that the kind of league we want?


DEs are 276lbs, DTs 300lbs.

For me, what you've described is way out of order; those interior guys would have a big advantage. LG 308, C 283, RG 316 - those DEs would have an advantage against the run game imo. If the DEs were put as DT 4-5 even, so backups with the odd play, I'd feel better about it.

The problem is, this kind of thing, Gussie can't monitor every **** team. For one thing, he's a Jets fans so they need things to be really, really simple to do... what's really needed is for the game to allow league rules to be defined, ie "minimum of 3 DTs on active roster" and allow the GM of league admin to be notified of violations.
Last edited at 8/28/2024 1:50 am