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Re: Player Eval Tool

By martinwarnett
2/22/2025 5:16 pm
I don't disagree with your view on the in game stuff (weights particularly bad), but using your tool, looking at the FA pool, CB with the top composite score of 71.0 is Rick Harmon - 99 B&R, 100 M2M, but acc est at 62, speed 33.

The first two stats seem elite, acc average, maybe a bit under for a CB1, but that speed just seems way too low to be anywhere near useful.

I just think any analytics tools would have issues. Your tool, for example (and not having a pop), lists my RBs as follows (looking at evaluating current position) :-

DeLeon 70.2 - avg 5.5 on 62 carries
Day 63.2 - overweight TE, acc 43 but speed 82 so as yet unknown
***** 60.2 - avg 5.2 on 35 carries
Gregg 59.4 - bit under, 3.6 ypc, to be shuffled down roster

Kearney (4.4 ypc) with 71 acc, 80 speed below level to be rated under default min values.
Reed not rated either despite being similar to Day.

Re: Player Eval Tool

By setherick - League Admin
2/22/2025 6:00 pm
martinwarnett wrote:
I don't disagree with your view on the in game stuff (weights particularly bad), but using your tool, looking at the FA pool, CB with the top composite score of 71.0 is Rick Harmon - 99 B&R, 100 M2M, but acc est at 62, speed 33.

The first two stats seem elite, acc average, maybe a bit under for a CB1, but that speed just seems way too low to be anywhere near useful.

I just think any analytics tools would have issues. Your tool, for example (and not having a pop), lists my RBs as follows (looking at evaluating current position) :-

DeLeon 70.2 - avg 5.5 on 62 carries
Day 63.2 - overweight TE, acc 43 but speed 82 so as yet unknown
***** 60.2 - avg 5.2 on 35 carries
Gregg 59.4 - bit under, 3.6 ypc, to be shuffled down roster

Kearney (4.4 ypc) with 71 acc, 80 speed below level to be rated under default min values.
Reed not rated either despite being similar to Day.


Let's break this down step-by-step because I think the tool is getting you RBs correct.

Right now, to qualify, RB need to pass 1 of these sets of criteria:



Now, let's talk about your RBs:

DeLeon 70.2 - Got speed and average AC. What carries him is his Ball Carry, Avoid Fumble, and Break Tackle. He's a handoff RB only. No route running ability (so now outside pitches or swing pass threat). 70 is appropriate for a one-dimensional RB.

Day 63.2 - OK speed (82) means that he's barely across the 78 threshold. Remember that between 78-86 players are roughly the same speed, so 82 is average. Below average AC (43) with average ball carry and break tackle. Only reason he's a 63 is because he's got good Avoid Fumble. He's a decent RB 3 or 4.

***** 60.2 - Again barely across the 78 speed threshold. Decent acceleration. Above average Ball Carry. Sub-60 Avoid Fumble. Average route and other skills. Nothing special, but a good bottom of the depth chart type guy.

Gregg 59.4 - Fourth tier speed. (Remember 68-78 is roughly the same speed range.) Ball Carry and Avoid Fumble are adequate. Overall not a great RB.

Kearney N/A - His Speed his third tier at 80, but the reason he doesn't get evaluated is because his Avoid Fumble is < 50. If you look at the criteria, I have if a player has sub-86 speed, then they have to meet other thresholds. In this case, 39 Avoid Fumble is a serious liability for a back getting more than 1-5 carries a game. And his overall package isn't good enough to get past that.

Reed N/A - He's borderline to being rated. The reason he isn't is he has 76 speed and barely misses the 78 cut off. He's got bad acceleration even though his Ball Carry, Break Tackle, and Avoid Fumble are good. I'm fine with the tool keeping him out even though he isn't the worst player. And as your kick holder, he's not the worst RB5.

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For full disclosure, RBs are also hard to rate. My top 3 look like this:

Cosey - 81.6
Myles - 78.5
Downey 75.7
Song 60.5

I play Myles as my RB1 because he's the home run threat, but I could easily play Cosey as the RB1 and sub Myles into the spread formations.
Last edited at 2/22/2025 6:03 pm

Re: Player Eval Tool

By setherick - League Admin
2/22/2025 6:10 pm
Let's talk about this guy that the Eval Tool flags as a 71: https://nfl.myfootballnow.com/player/12818

I think this guy is a CB1 candidate for a team that needs secondary and wants to move their best CB to the impact CB2 spot. He's slow. Let's get that out in the open. But you don't need to be fast to play CB1 (except against the 311 and only if you don't have safety help). The reason he'd get by with 33 SP in the CB1 spot is that the WR1 primarily runs hitch and short out routes on most of the effective passing plays. You don't need to be fast to cover those.

The 99 B&R and 61 AC mean that he'll lock up most WR1s in those routes anyway. And the 80 Ballhawk rating mean he'll have a chance to pull a few INTs.

If you don't believe this, ask IoT who routinely will pick up < 50 SP CBs to play CB1 and dominate. I typically like my CB1 to have at least 60 speed, but the right guy will lock up those hitch routes and pull INTs all day.
Last edited at 2/22/2025 6:11 pm

Re: Player Eval Tool

By hkpman7180
2/22/2025 6:19 pm
What is ball hawk rating of 80 on him ?

Re: Player Eval Tool

By hkpman7180
2/22/2025 6:22 pm
Seth ….i cant download due to job laptop…..do you have excel like before ?

I am sure you put weigh based on it ?

Can you run my RB and Cb to show what they show ?

Thx in advance

Re: Player Eval Tool

By setherick - League Admin
2/22/2025 6:40 pm
hkpman7180 wrote:
What is ball hawk rating of 80 on him ?


(Catching / .5 + route / .5) * 2

If those ratings get above 100 then it's 100. Catch and route on defense influence INTs

Re: Player Eval Tool

By setherick - League Admin
2/22/2025 6:42 pm
hkpman7180 wrote:
Seth ….i cant download due to job laptop…..do you have excel like before ?

I am sure you put weigh based on it ?

Can you run my RB and Cb to show what they show ?

Thx in advance


I don't have it in Excel because the vba would be awful

Re: Player Eval Tool

By hkpman7180
2/22/2025 7:21 pm
Can you pls run my RB and CB in your tool and out it here by any chance pls thanks

Re: Player Eval Tool

By setherick - League Admin
2/22/2025 9:10 pm
hkpman7180 wrote:
Can you pls run my RB and CB in your tool and out it here by any chance pls thanks






I wondered where Steiner went, but I see he's with the Browns now.