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Throwing to WRs

By setherick - League Admin
12/25/2020 8:45 pm
I've seen a lot of posts with new and experienced owners complaining about the lack of targets their WRs get, so I'm sharing some data that I have collected with all of you.

Preface: This data comes from games that IoT and I have played in six leagues with other experienced owners. Obviously we haven't tried all of the passing plays, so if your favorite passing play isn't on here and you know that it targets the WR a lot don't worry about it. It either doesn't target a WR as a top target, or we haven't tried it.

Dataset: These are plays where the WR is the top target. I have included the target % and the total number off attempts that IoT or I ran one of these plays. Some of the plays we only ran a few times so take that into account.

Formation -- Passing Play -- Target -- Target% -- Target Comp% -- Play Comp% -- Median Yards / Target -- Play Attempts -- Play INT/100 Attempts -- Play Clean% (Sacks + Pressures)

5 -- Shotgun 5 Wide FL Hook -- WR1 -- 50 -- 25 -- 37.5 -- 0 -- 16 -- 0 -- 100
5 -- Shotgun 5 Wide Middle Curls -- WR1 -- 57.14 -- 25 -- 28.57 -- 0 -- 14 -- 14.29 -- 100
5 -- Shotgun 5 Wide Parallel Slants -- WR5 -- 52.67 -- 74.32 -- 70.11 -- 4 -- 281 -- 2.14 -- 98.58
5 -- Shotgun 5 Wide Slot Cross -- WR2 -- 71.65 -- 75.82 -- 62.99 -- 2 -- 127 -- 0.79 -- 89.31
5 -- Shotgun 5 Wide Slot Drag -- WR3 -- 84.37 -- 77.78 -- 81.25 -- 4 -- 32 -- 0 -- 96.87
5 -- Shotgun 5 Wide WR Curls -- WR5 -- 66.67 -- 30 -- 33.33 -- 0 -- 15 -- 6.67 -- 93.33
14 -- Empty 4 Wide Spread Corner Post -- WR4 -- 81.15 -- 57.42 -- 53.4 -- 5 -- 191 -- 3.14 -- 84.69
14 -- Empty 4 Wide Spread Deep Corner Post -- WR4 -- 100 -- 50 -- 50 -- 9 -- 2 -- 0 -- 100
14 -- Empty 4 Wide Spread Flats -- WR1 -- 44.44 -- 58.33 -- 51.85 -- 1.5 -- 27 -- 0 -- 100
14 -- Singleback Empty 4 Slot Crosses -- WR4 -- 42.86 -- 50 -- 42.86 -- 5 -- 14 -- 7.14 -- 68.75
14 -- Singleback Empty 4 TE Corner -- WR4 -- 45.91 -- 63.01 -- 54.09 -- 6 -- 159 -- 3.77 -- 84.43
14 -- Singleback Empty 4 TE Deep Out -- WR2 -- 80 -- 83.33 -- 66.67 -- 8 -- 15 -- 0 -- 72.22
14 -- Singleback Empty 4 WR Post Corner -- WR2 -- 55.56 -- 60 -- 33.33 -- 1 -- 9 -- 0 -- 50
104 -- Shotgun 4 Wide In and Out -- WR3 -- 50 -- 25 -- 37.5 -- 0 -- 8 -- 12.5 -- 87.5
104 -- Shotgun 4 Wide Slot Drag -- WR3 -- 100 -- 100 -- 100 -- 7.5 -- 2 -- 0 -- 100
104 -- Shotgun 4 Wide WR Corner -- WR3 -- 50 -- 0 -- 50 -- 0 -- 2 -- 0 -- 100
104 -- Singleback 4 Wide Deep Middle -- WR3 -- 100 -- 0 -- 0 -- 0 -- 1 -- 0 -- 100
104 -- Singleback 4 Wide Post and Curls -- WR4 -- 100 -- 100 -- 100 -- 5 -- 1 -- 0 -- 100
104 -- Singleback 4 Wide Post and Drag -- WR3 -- 35.29 -- 41.67 -- 35.29 -- 0 -- 34 -- 2.94 -- 100
104 -- Singleback 4 Wide Quick Outs -- WR3 -- 73.68 -- 35.71 -- 36.84 -- 0 -- 19 -- 5.26 -- 100
104 -- Singleback 4 Wide WR Crosses -- WR1 -- 75 -- 66.67 -- 58.33 -- 3 -- 12 -- 0 -- 100
113 -- Shotgun Normal Double Outs -- WR1 -- 40.91 -- 77.78 -- 68.18 -- 3 -- 22 -- 4.55 -- 100
113 -- Shotgun Normal Short Attack -- WR2 -- 54.4 -- 86.76 -- 76.8 -- 3 -- 125 -- 2.4 -- 96.03
113 -- Shotgun Normal Slot Drag -- WR3 -- 74.36 -- 75.86 -- 73.08 -- 2 -- 78 -- 1.28 -- 100
113 -- Singleback Normal Deep Corners -- WR1 -- 67.35 -- 69.7 -- 67.35 -- 4 -- 49 -- 8.16 -- 84.31
113 -- Singleback Normal FL Drag -- WR1 -- 60.49 -- 73.47 -- 72.84 -- 5 -- 81 -- 2.47 -- 81.4
113 -- Singleback Normal FL Post -- WR3 -- 50.4 -- 62.4 -- 61.69 -- 6 -- 248 -- 6.45 -- 85.71
113 -- Singleback Normal HB Release Mid -- WR3 -- 46.24 -- 48.84 -- 51.61 -- 0 -- 93 -- 2.15 -- 97.85
113 -- Singleback Normal Hitch Corner -- WR2 -- 75 -- 100 -- 100 -- 3 -- 4 -- 0 -- 100
113 -- Singleback Normal Quick Looks -- WR1 -- 42.86 -- 69.44 -- 66.67 -- 3 -- 84 -- 0 -- 100
113 -- Singleback Normal Quick Slant -- WR3 -- 42.44 -- 55.79 -- 61.02 -- 8 -- 549 -- 2 -- 94.37
113 -- Singleback Normal SE Quick Hit -- WR2 -- 33.33 -- 71.43 -- 85.71 -- 3 -- 21 -- 4.76 -- 100
113 -- Singleback Normal WR Post -- WR3 -- 57.78 -- 50 -- 55.56 -- 1.5 -- 45 -- 2.22 -- 93.33
113 -- Singleback Normal WR Quick In -- WR2 -- 70.24 -- 47.46 -- 52.38 -- 0 -- 84 -- 2.38 -- 96.43
113 -- Singleback Slot Strong Post Curls -- WR3 -- 84.33 -- 72.57 -- 73.88 -- 2 -- 134 -- 0.75 -- 100
113 -- Singleback Slot Strong TE Corner -- WR1 -- 37.5 -- 33.33 -- 50 -- 0 -- 8 -- 0 -- 87.5
113 -- Singleback Slot Strong TE Slot Curls -- WR3 -- 44.9 -- 54.55 -- 65.31 -- 3 -- 49 -- 2.04 -- 100
122 -- Singleback Big Corner Ins -- WR1 -- 32.53 -- 51.85 -- 44.58 -- 11 -- 83 -- 4.82 -- 89.53
122 -- Singleback Big Ins and Outs -- WR1 -- 31.03 -- 62.5 -- 63.79 -- 6 -- 232 -- 2.16 -- 100
122 -- Singleback Big PA Curls -- WR1 -- 63.44 -- 57.63 -- 54.84 -- 4 -- 93 -- 5.38 -- 92.71
203 -- I Formation 3WR PA Fullback Flat -- WR2 -- 35.83 -- 72.22 -- 69.22 -- 11 -- 653 -- 1.99 -- 97.56
203 -- I Formation 3WR Slot Corner Long -- WR1 -- 66.67 -- 50 -- 53.62 -- 1.5 -- 69 -- 4.35 -- 84.51
203 -- I Formation 3WR Slot Corner Short -- WR1 -- 52.27 -- 47.83 -- 54.55 -- 0 -- 44 -- 2.27 -- 100
203 -- I Formation 3WR Slot Short WR Deep -- WR3 -- 59.31 -- 61.43 -- 53.72 -- 7 -- 376 -- 2.39 -- 93.65
203 -- I Formation 3WR WR Out -- WR1 -- 57.14 -- 50 -- 54.76 -- 2 -- 126 -- 2.38 -- 99.21
203 -- I Formation 3WR WR Post -- WR3 -- 89.47 -- 52.94 -- 48.25 -- 4 -- 114 -- 8.77 -- 86.21
203 -- Shotgun 2 RB 3 WR FB In -- WR1 -- 46.55 -- 66.67 -- 62.07 -- 2 -- 58 -- 5.17 -- 85.25
203 -- Shotgun 2 RB 3 WR Strong Deep -- WR2 -- 55.56 -- 100 -- 88.89 -- 3 -- 9 -- 0 -- 100
203 -- Shotgun 2 RB 3 WR WR Hooks -- WR1 -- 60 -- 33.33 -- 40 -- 0 -- 5 -- 0 -- 100
203 -- Split Backs 3 Wide RB Curls -- WR1 -- 54.55 -- 66.67 -- 60.61 -- 1 -- 33 -- 3.03 -- 82.35
203 -- Split Backs 3 Wide WR2 Deep Post -- WR3 -- 71.9 -- 64.24 -- 63.33 -- 7 -- 210 -- 3.33 -- 83.8
212 -- I Formation Normal FB Middle -- WR1 -- 50 -- 63.64 -- 54.55 -- 1.5 -- 44 -- 2.27 -- 95.45
212 -- I Formation Normal FL Hitch -- WR2 -- 69.99 -- 74.53 -- 72.02 -- 11 -- 1133 -- 1.59 -- 98.59
212 -- I Formation Normal PA Outside Curls -- WR1 -- 70 -- 57.14 -- 50 -- 4 -- 10 -- 0 -- 90.91
212 -- I Formation Normal Strong Flood -- WR2 -- 36.84 -- 57.14 -- 73.68 -- 2 -- 19 -- 0 -- 100
212 -- I Formation Twin WR Hook Ins -- WR2 -- 53.25 -- 73.17 -- 71.43 -- 4 -- 77 -- 2.6 -- 97.4
212 -- I Formation Twin WR Quick Outs -- WR1 -- 50 -- 77.27 -- 63.64 -- 5 -- 44 -- 6.82 -- 97.78
212 -- Strong I Normal Quick Hooks -- WR1 -- 53.95 -- 87.8 -- 84.21 -- 3 -- 76 -- 0 -- 100
212 -- Strong I Normal Short Attack -- WR2 -- 44.42 -- 80.09 -- 64.04 -- 3 -- 520 -- 1.54 -- 98.08
212 -- Strong I Normal WR Post TE Out -- WR1 -- 47.06 -- 72.5 -- 75.29 -- 4 -- 425 -- 0.71 -- 94.65

Re: Throwing to WRs

By andrewjolson71
12/26/2020 8:24 pm
Thank you for sharing your data! How much do you think speed of the WRs plays into the targets? Or would you say since your data us spread across so many different teams, it's probably a wash?

Re: Throwing to WRs

By setherick - League Admin
12/26/2020 8:28 pm
andrewjolson71 wrote:
Thank you for sharing your data! How much do you think speed of the WRs plays into the targets? Or would you say since your data us spread across so many different teams, it's probably a wash?


It's a wash as long as you're playing 80+ SP WRs.

I purposefully don't track WR attributes on passing plays because it's was annoying to parse, but I should add it to my database eventually.

The other problem is that receiver attributes change season over season so I would need to remember to drop and update roster tables every season.
Last edited at 12/26/2020 8:30 pm

Re: Throwing to WRs

By setherick - League Admin
12/26/2020 8:33 pm
I'm actually been thinking that certain routes would be better with a SLOWER WR, but I haven't started to experiment with it yet. Consider, for instance, the quick out routes where the WR hits the sideline. A fast WR hits the sideline immediately and then runs back to the middle of the field dragging a defender back into the play.

Re: Throwing to WRs

By CrazySexyBeast
1/16/2021 2:59 am
Gr8 information regardless of the limited data set presented.
1 opponent does not make anything absolute.
human biases and tendencies happen and a party of 1 is never a proper control.
I would like to see this same experiment against a random selection of games / humans across all your leagues and see the variables - which this presentation does not address.
Picking what you (edit: want) to test against is only 1/3 of any experiment.
Logically, this data, though interesting, is incomplete due to using both the control and the random as one. There is also no baseline to measure against.
Therefore, any conclusions are incomplete and thus lacking.
I know this sounds like a calling out, and as far as the scientific method is concerned, it absolutely is.
Disregarding proper testing methods (2nd edit and IoTs personal issues that cause blatant bias through known and / or obvious game abuses), I appreciate the effort.
Your so called control/random subject quit MFN out of anger. This creates bias. That player was the only data point.
The test is null.
Last edited at 1/16/2021 3:17 am

Re: Throwing to WRs

By CrazySexyBeast
1/16/2021 3:00 am
Nothing personal.

Re: Throwing to WRs

By setherick - League Admin
1/16/2021 9:04 am
CrazySexyBeast wrote:
Gr8 information regardless of the limited data set presented.
1 opponent does not make anything absolute.


You misread the first post. This is data of my and IoT's offense AGAINST other teams. And, really, it's 95% my data.

I don't understand the rest of your post. Keep your arguments with other owners out of my threads. Thanks.
Last edited at 1/16/2021 9:04 am

Re: Throwing to WRs

By CrazySexyBeast
2/23/2021 5:47 pm
Agreed. I apologize. No excuses for me being a ****.

Re: Throwing to WRs

By Hellbringer
2/27/2021 1:55 pm
Do you have a database on which passing plays have the most interceptions per attempt?

Re: Throwing to WRs

By setherick - League Admin
2/27/2021 1:57 pm
Hellbringer wrote:
Do you have a database on which passing plays have the most interceptions per attempt?


I have it normalized by per 100 passes, but yes, I have that data.