New Sticky Note

The new user interface is in preview!

Want to check it out? Click here! (If you don't like it, you can still switch back)

League Forums

Main - Community Help Forum

In the word of Colombo...

By jhartshorn
10/25/2016 10:35 am
Just one more thing:

I know someone has tried to explain this to me in the past, but I'm having to take in a lot over these first few seasons. Think it was raymattison maybe?

On each OffPlay, I believe there is a most likely receiver each time according to the play name, e.g.:

PA (??) Streaks is a Long pass, so the QB is most likely to aim for one of the two wide receivers as first point of call.....right?

Inside runs and Outside runs are generally obvious too....but on the Short and Mediums, it's less obvious.

For example:

Slot Curl which is a Short pass play. What does the short pass represent? 0-5 yds?
On that play:
* we have the RB running behind the LOS, so he must be included
*we have TE running 5yds than slanting to the 10yd line - so assume he's not a favourite to rx
*we have WR2 going 10yds straight - so assume he's not favourite to rx either
then two receivers technically running 0yds - so I assume one of those must be included.

What I'm getting around to is that I'm trying to work out for each play (something you guys prob do with your eyes closed!), which of the 5 receivers are most likely to receive, so I can adjust in the Overides certain receivers in certain positions as to whether I want them running deep (fast ones) or running short distances (good acc).

I'm sure I was told something like:

Behind LOS up to it is short pass
LOS - 5yds is medium
5yds+ is long pass

Thanks again - have a good evening!!

Re: In the word of Colombo...

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
10/25/2016 3:06 pm
The WRs are each given a weight based on the play distance and their routes, and also which is your #1, #2, etc. Then the progression is assigned each time the play is called, with the higher weighted players having a higher probability of being chosen first.

Re: In the word of Colombo...

By jhartshorn
10/25/2016 3:21 pm
Thanks jdb - I understand that.
But is there some kind of way of working the distance / route thing out so I can pre-empt which will have highest likelihood:

Either A: it's a secret code thing
B: it's possible for those who understand the game but not yet me
C: here's the answer Joe...

Re: In the word of Colombo...

By setherick - League Admin
10/25/2016 6:26 pm
JDB - Does this mean if I substitute my WR1 into the backfield for plays that HB runs the short route that the WR1 have double the chance to be selected as the WR1?

I'm trying to figure out why when I throw short with RB routes in my playbook that more passes go to the WRs still than the RBs.

Re: In the word of Colombo...

By WarEagle
10/25/2016 8:00 pm
jdavidbakr wrote:
The WRs are each given a weight based on the play distance and their routes, and also which is your #1, #2, etc. Then the progression is assigned each time the play is called, with the higher weighted players having a higher probability of being chosen first.


So it doesn't matter what the defensive playcall/formation is, or even who is open?

If so, this explains a lot.
Last edited at 10/26/2016 6:14 am

Re: In the word of Colombo...

By jhartshorn
10/26/2016 2:39 am
good questions guys....

Re: In the word of Colombo...

By setherick - League Admin
10/26/2016 6:21 am
WarEagle wrote:
jdavidbakr wrote:
The WRs are each given a weight based on the play distance and their routes, and also which is your #1, #2, etc. Then the progression is assigned each time the play is called, with the higher weighted players having a higher probability of being chosen first.


So it doesn't matter what the defensive playcall/formation is, or even who is open?

If so, this explains a lot.


I don't think it does. The more I've watched plays in v.4, the more I assume the progression always goes WR1, WR2, WR3, TE1, and then maybe RB. I'm tempted to just run the HB Flare (Short) as my only passing play to see how many catches my WRs get compared to my RBs.

Re: In the word of Colombo...

By WarEagle
10/26/2016 6:27 am
If you do, let us know what you find out.

Watching the games it make no sense why a receiver is targeted (or not) on each play, so complete randomness seems like the most likely culprit to me, especially considering that randomness seems to be the driving factor for nearly everything in MFN.

(that wasn't a complaint, just an observation)

Re: In the word of Colombo...

By setherick - League Admin
10/26/2016 6:33 am
There is a lot that is random for no reason. Take the HB Flare for example.

The HB should be the primary receiver unless he chooses to pass block. When does he choose to pass block? Who knows. Half the time he choose to pass block, he runs to behind the C where there is no one there. The other half of the time he runs to the edge and stands there while a defender sacks the QB.

The better question is why does he choose to pass block at all on the play. The HB is the primary route runner and should also be the hot route on the play. The QB should throw it to him if he's open as soon as the pressure comes.

But most of the time the QB is rolling away from the play and has to throw a 40 yard lateral to throw it to him.

And according to the accuracy formula a QB with 100 listed accuracy, running, with a QB in his face is probably only 50% accurate before any distance penalties are applied.

EDIT: I have my team in 1 set up to just run the HB Flare now.
Last edited at 10/26/2016 6:37 am

Re: In the word of Colombo...

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
10/26/2016 9:27 am
WarEagle wrote:
So it doesn't matter what the defensive playcall/formation is, or even who is open?


The read progression is determined before the play begins. The WR1 (the position on the formation, not your #1 WR) does get the primary weight, but that doesn't mean he's always the primary receiver. He just will be most often.

If the receiver chosen as the primary is not open, the QB will go to the next player in the selected progression.