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Contracts / minimum salary

By martinwarnett
4/03/2016 9:01 am
For those of us saddos who like micromanaging, is it possible for the game to somewhere indicate what the minimum salary is BEFORE offering a contract?

Quite often, I manually do the contract only to then get a dialog box back saying that the minimum salary is actually X.

Re: Contracts / minimum salary

By setherick - League Admin
4/03/2016 9:33 am
martinwarnett wrote:
For those of us saddos who like micromanaging, is it possible for the game to somewhere indicate what the minimum salary is BEFORE offering a contract?

Quite often, I manually do the contract only to then get a dialog box back saying that the minimum salary is actually X.


I'll back this idea if it comes with fixing contract structures so that the best players demand reasonable deals. No more 5m a year deals for the best CBs and WRs.

Re: Contracts / minimum salary

By jsid
4/03/2016 12:41 pm
martinwarnett wrote:
For those of us saddos who like micromanaging, is it possible for the game to somewhere indicate what the minimum salary is BEFORE offering a contract?

Quite often, I manually do the contract only to then get a dialog box back saying that the minimum salary is actually X.


I usually just move both sliders all the way left. That shows the min salary with no bonus.

Re: Contracts / minimum salary

By TAFIV
4/03/2016 2:23 pm
i posted this before in another thread but not in suggestions so here's my problem with the current contract structure and a possible solution

TAFIV wrote:
Biggest issue that causes low quality FA pools in my opinion is how renegotiations work.

This is an example not an actual negotiation

You sign a player for (approx. numbers not doing the 5%) $20 million contract over 4 years with a $10 million bonus, so $2.5 mil salary $2.5 mil bonus each year.

Then turn right around the next year and renegotiate he asks for a 4 year $22m contract but if you reduce offer to $0 bonus it tells you he won't negotiate for less than $8 mil bonus. So now you can sign him for (approx. numbers not doing the 5%) a 6 year $10,666,674 contract comes out to $444,445 salary $1,333,334 bonus total bonus is $8,000,004 so meets the bonus criteria but here's the breakdown:

before negotiation
year 1 - $2,500,000 salary $2,5000,000 bonus $5,000,000 total
year 2 - $2,500,000 salary $2,5000,000 bonus $5,000,000 total
year 3 - $2,500,000 salary $2,5000,000 bonus $5,000,000 total

after negotiation
year 1 - $444,445 salary $3,833,334 bonus $4,277,779 total saved $722,221
year 2 - $444,445 salary $3,833,334 bonus $4,277,779 total saved $722,221
year 3 - $444,445 salary $3,833,334 bonus $4,277,779 total saved $722,221
year 4 - $444,445 salary $1,333,334 bonus $1,777,779 total
year 5 - $444,445 salary $1,333,334 bonus $1,777,779 total
year 6 - $444,445 salary $1,333,334 bonus $1,777,779 total

saved a total of $2,166,663

He asked for $5,500,000 a year, you ended up giving him:
$4,277,779 a year for years 1-3 ($1,222,221 less than asked)
$1,777,779 a year for years 4-6 ($3,722,221 less than asked)
That's a total of $14,833,326 less than he asked for in yearly contract amount.

In the last 3 years of the contract you have a player that should be getting paid $5-$5.5 mil playing for less than $1.8 mil............

Most players in the NFL would refuse it since its not only costing him $2,166,663 over the first 3 years in lost salary from the first contract, but is also for less than 1/2 the amount he originally requested, is 2 years longer, and for the last 3 years of the contract he's playing for 32% of the yearly contract amount he requested.....yet here in MFN we can cheat the players constantly by giving a bigger percentage of the contract as bonus and lengthening the contract so we can spread the same amount of bonus over more years......in real life the players would leave negotiations so fast if you blinked you would miss it.



TAFIV wrote:
easiest way to fix this would probably make the min bonus a player will negotiate for be a yearly amount instead of a total contract amount and also have a minimum contract bonus

so if a player wanted:
4 year $20,000,000 contract $10,000,000 bonus $5,000,000 yearly contract $2,500,000 yearly bonus

current style 6 year offer on this
6 year $13,333,338 contract $10,000,002 bonus $2,222,223 yearly contract $1,666,667 yearly bonus
you would save $6,666,666 on the contract, get 2 extra years, and save $2,777,777 in yearly cap

style I suggested for a 6 year contract
6 year $20,000,016 contract $15,000,012 bonus $3,333,336 yearly contract $2,500,002 yearly bonus
total contract is $16 more, you get 2 extra years and save $1,666,664 in yearly cap

if you negotiate you would still be able to save some money but it wouldn't be to the ridiculous amount it is now, and of course this is with the bonus set at 50% for the asking contract it could be set higher/lower depending on player attitude as chipped said with a set-up like this it could make caps a lot more interesting since depending on attitude you could have 2 players ask for the same total contract but have different percentages set for the amount of that contract to ask for as minimum yearly bonus and end up with completely different contracts

possible things that could affect attitude would be, play time, usage(ie. how often is a WR thrown to, or a RB used to run/receive, for a QB is he constantly getting sacked or having receivers drop passes) i'm sure there are several other possibilities

Re: Contracts / minimum salary

By ibblacklavender02
5/06/2016 1:38 pm
Yeah I have a rb https://mfn6.myfootballnow.com/player/4073 and all he's asking for is a $45,845,139/6yrs deal .... When he should really be asking for 90 mil or even 100mil....I also think lower rated players who preform well (think 30 sacks in a season or allow a small amount of sacks while starting, Catch most ints or tds, Most tackles or tackles for loss etc.) should ask for more money when resigning. Which would lead to more trades and a future problem... which could be solved by allowing a person to see the asking price of a player(last year of deal only) you're trading for.... Before you accept a trade

Re: Contracts / minimum salary

By lellow2011
5/06/2016 1:40 pm
ibblacklavender02 wrote:
Yeah I have a rb https://mfn6.myfootballnow.com/player/4073 and all he's asking for is a $45,845,139/6yrs deal .... When he should really be asking for 90 mil or even 100mil....I also think lower rated players who preform well (think 30 sacks in a season or allow a small amount of sacks while starting, Catch most ints or tds, Most tackles or tackles for loss etc.) should ask for more money when resigning. Which would lead to more trades and a future problem... which could be solved by allowing a person to see the asking price of a player(last year of deal only) you're trading for.... Before you accept a trade


Actually a back that age shouldn't be asking for top dollar. For HBs over 30 retirement is coming rather quickly.

Re: Contracts / minimum salary

By ibblacklavender02
5/06/2016 1:53 pm
lellow2011 wrote:
ibblacklavender02 wrote:
Yeah I have a rb https://mfn6.myfootballnow.com/player/4073 and all he's asking for is a $45,845,139/6yrs deal .... When he should really be asking for 90 mil or even 100mil....I also think lower rated players who preform well (think 30 sacks in a season or allow a small amount of sacks while starting, Catch most ints or tds, Most tackles or tackles for loss etc.) should ask for more money when resigning. Which would lead to more trades and a future problem... which could be solved by allowing a person to see the asking price of a player(last year of deal only) you're trading for.... Before you accept a trade


Actually a back that age shouldn't be asking for top dollar. For HBs over 30 retirement is coming rather quickly.


Yeah he is kind of a poor example(although if I let him become a free agent $$$)...The point I was trying to make tho..... is that if he was in his prime... the contract would be the same
Last edited at 5/06/2016 1:53 pm

Re: Contracts / minimum salary

By lellow2011
5/06/2016 2:03 pm
ibblacklavender02 wrote:
lellow2011 wrote:
ibblacklavender02 wrote:
Yeah I have a rb https://mfn6.myfootballnow.com/player/4073 and all he's asking for is a $45,845,139/6yrs deal .... When he should really be asking for 90 mil or even 100mil....I also think lower rated players who preform well (think 30 sacks in a season or allow a small amount of sacks while starting, Catch most ints or tds, Most tackles or tackles for loss etc.) should ask for more money when resigning. Which would lead to more trades and a future problem... which could be solved by allowing a person to see the asking price of a player(last year of deal only) you're trading for.... Before you accept a trade


Actually a back that age shouldn't be asking for top dollar. For HBs over 30 retirement is coming rather quickly.


Yeah he is kind of a poor example(although if I let him become a free agent $$$)...The point I was trying to make tho..... is that if he was in his prime... the contract would be the same


Well yeah he's get PAID in FA because there is so much free cap space for teams to throw around. For a lot of my teams it's nothing for me to take on some big dead cap hits because I have so much cap room to work with, so much so that the dead cap hit usually becomes only a small consideration when making deals.